"Yes, I saw that he claims to be a member. I'm not sure if I buy it tbh. I don't know what the author is bitter about. It just reads like it's written by someone who was rejected by a mensan. The language is emotionally loaded and dismissive; it reeks of butthurt. Just my opinion btw" comment from MENSA subreddit. Maybe even stronger evidence than what you presented!
I'm not too suprised by this finding. In Mensa France for instance, they even have a page where you see a test sample composed of abstract item so that you can practice it, so to speak, and feel more confident before applying to Mensa membership. Just the fact they made it publicly available speaks so much about what they think of IQ validity.
A strong source of bias would be the age of Mensans and the Flynn effect. They tend to be old, and it did not take as much intelligence to get a score of 130.8 IQ decades ago as opposed to today. 50 years would explain 15 IQ points.
Wouldn't this render standardized tests (like the SAT) largely useless for the same reason (as a proxy for cognitive ability)? You do the same training in preparation for it. You're most likely able to get a much more varied sample of questions too. You can significantly improve vocabulary tests in them too just by mass-repeating old tests (because repetition happens).
Interesting. Naively, this goes with what i would have thought. But I do wonder how this coheres with the oft-touted studies showing both that admissions tests (like the SAT or GRE; I don't know if there are similar studies for the MCAT, LSAT, or GRE) are both good tests of IQ and are largely practice-resistant. I wonder if you could shed some light on this.
Can someone explain me in a simple way , the logic behind the method that Cremieux uses to see the real IQ of mensa members without the practice effects they benefits ?
"Yes, I saw that he claims to be a member. I'm not sure if I buy it tbh. I don't know what the author is bitter about. It just reads like it's written by someone who was rejected by a mensan. The language is emotionally loaded and dismissive; it reeks of butthurt. Just my opinion btw" comment from MENSA subreddit. Maybe even stronger evidence than what you presented!
I'm not too suprised by this finding. In Mensa France for instance, they even have a page where you see a test sample composed of abstract item so that you can practice it, so to speak, and feel more confident before applying to Mensa membership. Just the fact they made it publicly available speaks so much about what they think of IQ validity.
A group of people with a mean IQ of 117 is still unusually smart.
"I don't want to belong to any club that would accept me as one of its members." 😆
The math PhDs are busy solving real problems instead of practicing tests to get into MENSA.
Often Mensa is to intelligence as a bachelor's degree is to subject mastery.
Recent research indicates that reading Cremieux’s writings may boost one’s IQ. Further research, and its appropriate funding, is warranted.
A strong source of bias would be the age of Mensans and the Flynn effect. They tend to be old, and it did not take as much intelligence to get a score of 130.8 IQ decades ago as opposed to today. 50 years would explain 15 IQ points.
Wouldn't this render standardized tests (like the SAT) largely useless for the same reason (as a proxy for cognitive ability)? You do the same training in preparation for it. You're most likely able to get a much more varied sample of questions too. You can significantly improve vocabulary tests in them too just by mass-repeating old tests (because repetition happens).
Interesting. Naively, this goes with what i would have thought. But I do wonder how this coheres with the oft-touted studies showing both that admissions tests (like the SAT or GRE; I don't know if there are similar studies for the MCAT, LSAT, or GRE) are both good tests of IQ and are largely practice-resistant. I wonder if you could shed some light on this.
Can someone explain me in a simple way , the logic behind the method that Cremieux uses to see the real IQ of mensa members without the practice effects they benefits ?
who hurt you ?
yikes.